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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 27, 2007 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Let me quote:

"But for God's sake--all of you--quit your bellyaching. Ashes, DB, all of you--it's old. It's lame. It's annoying.
And, DB, you do come off as a prissy princess of pomp just as much as some of the boys come off as royal dickheads. You are merely stirring the pot along with everyone else. Sorry--you're a sweet person, but you are throwing petol on the fire. All this shit about Deadhook--you made your point
6 months ago. Old."

Yep, that was me. Why post under another name? Because you just can't express yourself around here without everyone getting steamed and you end up the poster boy for everyone's hatred. So I posted under another name so that an anonymous person could take the heat. Bad choice. Fine. Not my first one. Oh--and the extra name came from a time when we were all making fun of the multiposting.

But that doesn't alter my point. Over on the hook, Deadhook1 asked folks to stop posting about LMA because a certain levl of animosity was starting to occur. There were even a few posts from LMAites that were inappropriately rude--though a few were in response to a particularly ugly post over there.

Since many of the LMAites have started posting over there, innumerable threads seem to pop up here about "us vs. them" and other like bullshit. Plus, 2 is still the spoon that stirs the pot. Note the thread below--Boudica sure as hell is not Stephanie Brown. No similarity in syntax, style, or content. But, oh what fun we're having now!

Gina: your post here, in my opinion, served only to continue the very LMA vs Deadhook bs that should have been put to bed--or, rather, that should never have been stirred up in the first place. You came over here, kindly pointed out another dead site, encouraged folks to check it out, and many of us did. But, job done. You are not the defender of the flag-here or there. No one should be, because no one should feel the need to defend anything about the sites. They are what they are, and if you don't care for one, don't hang out. Both have many good things to offer. One may seem a little gushy at times, and the other a bit rough--but, hey, sounds just like a Dead crowd to me. When I called you prissy, that was inappropriate: but I was really getting pissed off that even you wouldn't leave this alone and had to make one more post. And Ashes is right. You are not in the middle of anything--you are instead the person who told us about Deadhook. Being a go between and being a scapegoat are two different things. And if you think you are in the middle--why post about it? Why not just let ride; then there won't be any middle anymore. The problem on a personal level is that you can come off as being the self-appointed representative of what is right and what is wrong. What a horrible position to place yourself in.

Ever notice how the boys over here clean up and cuddle up to you as if they had never met a woman before? It's wierd. You are a person, and you are as subject to graces and flaws just like anyone else. Remember, too, that this same crowd of fawning fools ripped you a new one when you posted about the missing Deadhead. Only one person came to your offense. Ssags can tell you who that was. The rest of the membership made fun of the kid and his plight--of his parents, of you, of me--I don't think I've seen a more immature, nasty bunch of yahoos in years.

But there comes a time when things just need to stop and anyone who seeks to prolong those things needs to quit.

We all know about Deadhook. Hell of a fine place. Different than this one--almost a mirror in many ways. The endless threads about 2 would never be tolerated there. Here, they seem celebrated. (And, as mentioned, he's already fooled you all once today).

I guess my post, like many others, went awry because I am simply fed up with trying to come over here and join a simple discussion without the same old noise about LMA vs. Deadhook or 2 or whatever.

Yes, db, Deadhook is a wonderful place where threads remain threads (for the most part), and where folks treat other folks nicely. But the two worlds cannot stand next to each other without friction (apparently), so please stop trying to reconcile them. Those who like one over the other should feel free to do so. Those who like both--well, they will have their hands full!

Ashes--I really stuck your name in there not because I was intending to single you out, but because you were handy. Bad reason, but there it is. (And I merely mentioned you in passing.)

I return to my original point. Please sut up--about 2 (Cliff has), about Deadhook, about LMA, about individuals (I will be the first). All I was saying is that sometimes trying to fix things can make them worse or make the problem go on instead of fade away. And, yes, it ends up being hypocritical for me to say that because doing so prolongs the very thing I would seek to end.

"We've already heard your song."--Joe Strummer.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 27, 2007 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

You know what GoP my intention was not to hurt you but to try to end all this bullshit. I have had it up to here with all the multi-monkering. I found something that unequivocally pointed to you. Not just that admission but the other post where you go on to call me Professor Ssag and remarked on the Society of Assholes. Thats what gave it away not you just saying you were "Grokking in the Free World".

Personally, I read your posts with relish when you as GoP or even Orchiddoctor. So I hope you continue posting unlike what you said to me that you were going to stop. Just stop the multi-posting because it causes way too much derision. Sorry it went down like this but this shit has to end.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Aug 27, 2007 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Crazy, but thats how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe its not to late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing
Lifes a bitter shame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

Ive listened to preachers
Ive listened to fools
Ive watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you have the role

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words
Yeh-h

Heirs of a cold war
Thats what weve become
Inheriting troubles Im mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
Im living with something that just isnt fair

Mental wounds not healing
Who and whats to blame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

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Poster: Stealz Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Regardless of any initial feelings of a confrontational nature I feel it would be unfortunate if, at the very least, it weren't noted that ghostofpig has accepted personal responsibility in regards to posting under an assumed screen name and in a manner some (myself included) found distasteful.

As stated in your previous thread ghostofpig, I truly meant no offense and was more concerned about Ashes' name being thrown in to the "fire" than anything else. Also, I wasn't able to see how that post would/could quell any of the concerns you expressed in relation to the recent goings on within this forum.

If I came off as an assbag, I apologize. I'm glad we have come to agree on a couple of points if it is of any concern to you. I also commend you for assuming accountability for the "other" thread. I, for one, found many of your posts to be very informative/entertaining during my initial period of time on this forum during which I merely lurked and never posted. I hope I am not alone in saying that if this forum were to lose that ghostofpig whom I took note of in my first few weeks on this forum it would be unfortunate.

Be well and good luck to you in all you do.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 27, 2007 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Paranoia?

"Why post under another name? Because you just can't express yourself around here without everyone getting steamed and you end up the poster boy for everyone's hatred"

Im trying to leave all this nonsense behind, but Ive got to chime in here GOP, and let you know Im disappointed in your hypocracy!

Sorry I "ruined the board' for you!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 27, 2007 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BUT CAN CLIFF GO ONE BETTER?

Well, a big fat "I told you so" might be excused...

So, have you given thought to the filler of 8-23-68 that is debated hereabouts, my friend? I am of the mind that it is from earlier in 68...IE, in line with recent reviews: May or June?

How about you?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 27, 2007 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BUT CAN CLIFF GO ONE BETTER?

Im sticking with March (3/15?) or possibly June???

I hear only Pig. To me, this sounds somewhere between the January "swing" sound, and the "overwound watch" intensity of the summer shows.

Lemieux says "early-1968 Carousel”, its definitely the same...

http://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section/january-1-january-7-2007

PS That 1966 tuning jam is well worth a listen!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 27, 2007 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BUT CAN CLIFF GO ONE BETTER?

Yes, it defn has that 'sound' which though a stretch, given song selection involved, almost reminds me a bit of the sound from Jan, 20 & 22...March is probably a better choice, and I suppose May/June based on StSt, but I am with you on the general aspect of the sound pushing me toward Jan to Mar for a match in that respect.

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Poster: Boudica Date: Aug 27, 2007 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Bill,

I can assure you that fabby post is me.

Hugs

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 27, 2007 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

I can't say as I disagree with some points in your post, my friend. I would however think the points could be made without specifically singling out certain people, but that's just me. It is certainly possible to make a problem worse by drawing attention to it in ANY way, no matter how well-intentioned. But what concerns me is this:

"Boudica sure as hell is not Stephanie Brown. No similarity in syntax, style, or content. But, oh what fun we're having now!"

Man, if you're examining each post with enough attention to detail as to notice differences in syntax (let alone know what that means), I am worried about your time-sharing priorities. Truly, there must be more contstructive endeavors to occupy your vast intellect during any "down time" you may be experiencing.


Hell, its all in good fun...hope your day is off to a good start. Just don't start examining my syntax or prose, I got enough of that from Prof. Beidler many years ago.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-08-27 16:25:12

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

I don't have to examine any details to know that the poster is not S. Brown. It's plain as day.

You know, it just isn't worth it. I wished to remain anonymous to stay out of the middle. Oh well, bad choice.

As to Cliff--I really don't care what you think. You didn't ruin the board--the board has done that on its own. And here I have applauing you for the tough task of letting go of as2shole.

Rob--I didn't ask you to defend me, did I? And, no, really, no.



Ssags--glad you are such a saint. Really. It's a tough job but somebody has to do it.



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Poster: Boudica Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Of course it's me.

The best song on 'Bless Its Pointed Little Head' by Jefferson Airplane is in fact a Donovan song. It is really fabbo. Cool bananas as one might say !

And you still haven't told me where "these parts" is !!

At least I was upfront and honest about changing my screen name.

Big hugs
Stephanie

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 27, 2007 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

From the Internet Archive faqs:

"What happens to my forum posts and movie, software, audio, and book reviews when I change my screen name?

Your old reviews and posts will be updated with your new screen name."

And yet, have all of Stephanie Brown's posts been miraculously transformed into Boudica's posts? Why, no - they haven't. What can this mean?

ghostofpig may be an asshole now and then but he's a wonderously astute asshole and possessed of no mean intelligence. But perhaps an explanation might be forthcoming for those of us a little slower on the uptake?

I must say I'm beginning to feel more and more of a fool today. Could turn a man to drink if he wasn't there already.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 27, 2007 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

An email sent to Rob (modified to protect the innocent):


The Eleventh Commandment reads: "Thou shalt not get caught."

Yes, a dumb idea, but, in a twisted way, trying to keep my regular persona out
of the fucking fray.

You know that my goal was not to sucker anyone. If ssags hadn't felt the need to play amateur sleuth or I had double checked that old post, no one would be the wiser, my point would have been made, and life as we know it would have
gone on.

Or I could have followed my initial instinct which is the 12th commandment:
"Thou shall shut up."

I wish to hell that both forums would shut up about each other. And I do think that db's well-intentioned but excessive attempts at cross pollination have
inadvertently bred an undercurrent of near mutual contempt--in some cases. There have been bad words on both sides of the net.
There's a difference between, say your view and a more cynical mean one. I, too, find the
hook to be a bit syrupy, but I like the fact that genuine threads last and
don't get immediately hijacked by the latest score of the Red Sox game. I like
to finish conversations--if they are worth starting in the first place.

But I'm tired of the 2 crap. Not of 2--he is innocuous--other than his ability
to mine the weaknesses of a few other posters. And it wouldn't be so bad if it
didn't take up so much room. It just lends a nasty stench to the room. I'm tired of the endless responses. But
Cliff has caught on--too bad Rich hasn't--yet? (I hope he does--he is a wise man).

And you know my greatest sin? That I post--as GOP or otherwise, to ask folks
to stop, and I end up becoming part of the problem--not so much for hiding my name, but for chiming in at all. It seems hypocritical to yell, "quiet" in a theater. You've just added to the noise. No one listens anyway.

Anyway, I think I just got defensive. BTW, I thought I'd cancelled that admission of guilt post before it went through. I had second thoughts as I hit the send button, as I realized that that, too, would cause more problems than it would resolve. I should have left bad enough alone.

Some days you get the bear; some days you become the bear.

Bugs: "It's duck season."
Daffy "It's rabbit theason."

"Duck season."
"Rabbit season."

Elmer: "No, it's bear season."


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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 27, 2007 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

"If ssags hadn't felt the need to play amateur sleuth"

I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids. Give me a Scooby snack!


Look GoP I am starting to be annoyed that you keep trying to lay blame down on me. I didn't do this....you did this!!! I have been gracious to you and have not slammed you. I have written a few times that I was going to figure this out so you shouldn't be surprised. This site has some amazing posters on here and someone is fucking it up with multi-names. I have no idea if you are the guy but I do know you are OD,GoP and GitFW. The more you try to rationalize this move of yours the more you look bad IMO. Let it go and maybe apologize to DBs instead of explaining your intentions.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 29, 2007 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

Hope this pops up in your email notification. #1 I very clearly stated on this board in a post that was read by over 300 people that I changed from OD to GOP after being burned by assholes like yourself for standing up for someone. That's old news--just like the time you pointedly and without provocation attacked me for something I had posted months earlier. WITHOUT PROVOCATION. It was your first response to me at all, and had nothing to do with the post at hand. You like to pick at old scabs--fine. I hid nothing. The creation of GITFW was a joke which I exposed immediately during a time when many of us were fucking around with double names to prove how easy it was to do so. ANd that very thread announces that I am OD. So, sir, nothing was hidden, and, quite frankly, your sleuthing is really not very impressive. And, if you were out to get me, then you must feel paranoid.

Ssags, when you want to stop digging in the past for dirt, feel free to talk to me again. When you stop your own negative posts--like the one on hook where you attacked Stevebo instead of either being humorous or being quiet--then you will be able to freely cast stones at me.

Whatever my sins, sir, I suggest you look at yours first.

Please do not bother responding to this post.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 27, 2007 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

I don't know about that, when someone was attacking me a few weeks back they modified a post and their old name came up. So they actually had two names to the post in it. So I am unsure why that happens or how.

What I think is you can modify any post that you make as long as it is attached to the ip address you make it from? But thats a guess. Am I reading you correctly?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 27, 2007 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

Ssag, old buddy, I'm beginning to feel like a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed a load of horseshit.

You can certainly, as I understand it, edit any of your posts at any time - but if you change your screenname that changes your name automatically on all of your previous posts. All you need for a new screenname that leaves previous posts untouched is a different email address - and I'm sure we all have more than one of those. It's unfortunately easy to be deceitful.

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Poster: Boudica Date: Aug 27, 2007 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

Dear Rob,

No horses poo !

I am puzzled too why my previous posts have not been transferred to my new screen name.

Also, look at my previous post in this thread. I am talking about music (I know quite rare for me) !
Only a Brit could love Donovan !

If people don't believe me this time well so be it. Only few did before. I'm off to that nice cafe bar now. Don't get too ratted.

[ ] and
Stephanie

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Poster: Loogy Hanger Date: Aug 27, 2007 6:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

yes, Rice culture is the way to go. Pig shit just don't work, dirty dirty dirty.

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Poster: Barry Bonds Date: Aug 27, 2007 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy - but is Boudica?

Okay RTWS let me show you what I mean this is "Ssags" right now and I am posting as "Barry Bonds" but my old posts are not changing name. Its that easy. Anyone can do this which is why I not a fan of this place anymore. I have no idea who is who and it gets annoying.

I figured this out a few weeks back when I was the target for abuse and the original person that attacked me as "Uuptight Bbitch" edited that post later using the "Dimwit" name. One post had two names as the author of that one post....Anyhow, I thought it strange but realized how easy it is to fool people. So in a weird way Dimwit and Uuptight Bbitch who hates me helped me figure this mystery out. I love irony....

Now if you click on the name Barry Bonds on the front page, this post will come up as the only post made and nothing from my Ssags account. Its that simple and easy to fuck with other people here. Sorry to be the spreader of bad news but its a reality over here.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Something here just aint right.

GOP, I thought by now you of all people could easily spot my sarcasm. I've always found your posts among the better examples of well thought out and meaningful ideas. But your reply here has struck me as oddly confrontational. I shall put the sarcasm away as I don't want to further fan the flames here, and perhaps step away from this discourse as it appears it runs far deeper than any involvement I might have had.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

No. Missed your sarcasm. Bad day at the whatever. Nothing like starting off with a good misfire.

Just so you know, I did spend a half an hour on your posts and I can verify that it is you. That's the sad news.

As to SSags: yes, it will, it always does.

As to Cliff: I hate Horace Mann too.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Whew, its good to know that I'm still me. I'm sure the wife will be pleased.




I hope.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 27, 2007 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Come on man there's no need for this shit. I am far from a saint, I am a borderline asshole and maybe even a full on one.

Look man you have tons of knowledge about the good old days and everyone here digs reading it...just go back to that shit and this will blow over.

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Poster: Loogy Hanger Date: Aug 27, 2007 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Just glad football seasons here, toss around some pig ass.

So go open a bottle of wine pig.

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Poster: patourkid Date: Aug 27, 2007 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

I aint havin no part of this crazy....but yALL ARE FUCKED UP!!! ONE MORE TIME fucked up!!!!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 27, 2007 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Isn't ssags a clever boy?

Ok - if it was you after all I guess that makes me look like a prize idiot for defending you. Hey ho. Well I don't feel like I come off looking too badly out of this so what the fuck, eh?

Seems like you are, and I quote from my earlier post, one of those who hide "behind the cowardly anonymity of a stolen identity'. I hate to think that of you because you can be so eloquent that you don't need to do this. Frankly, if you have something to say then just say it without the 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtains' posturing. It really would work much better because then you won't run the risk of people thinking you another multi-posting waste of space and ignoring any valid points you might have to make.

"This year Ive lost some friends
Some friends? What friends?
I dunno, I ain't even noticed"

You still want those Clash mp3s you son of a bitch?